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Heart of the Matter Podcast: Singapore students rank top in math and science, but how useful is this in a changing world?

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Out of 81 countries, 15-year-olds in Singapore topped the Pisa table in reading, math and science. But how important are these metrics in a world where social and creative skills have become critical and artificial intelligence is taking centre stage?

Steven Chia gets answers from Liew Wei Li, director-general of education at the Ministry of Education, associate professor Jason Tan from the National Institute of Education, and parent of two and lecturer, Ian Tan.

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Host Steven Chia (extreme left) with his guests, parent Ian Tan, Director-General of Education, Liew Wei Li and associate professor Jason Tan of NIE. (Photo: CNA/Tiffany Ang)
Liew Wei Li, director-general of education, Ministry of Education:
Tracking these three areas will help us to understand whether our fundamentals are still strong, our foundations are still strong, which we can build further from. But ... it is only one measure, and it's insufficient.
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Associate Professor Jason Tan, National Institute of Education:

(We need to) intelligently interpret these sorts of league table results. Because for one thing, Singapore has decided to move away from an excessive focus on ranking tables ... so I would urge a degree of caution about rigid, hierarchical ranking.
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Ian Tan, parent and communications lecturer:
My two kids are very different in aptitude and the interest ... I have never told them please be a doctor, please be a lawyer. I've seen other kids being very resentful of the path that their parents encouraged them to go on.
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Jump to these key moments:

  • 1:46 Why maths and science are important
  • 5:36 Learning in the age of AI
  • 9:32 Teaching soft skills
  • 13:59 Convincing parents to change mindsets
  • 20:01 Rethinking the role of education

Find more episodes of Heart of the Matter here.

A new episode of Heart of the Matter drops every Friday. Follow the podcast on Apple or Spotify for the latest updates.

Have a great topic for us? Drop the team an email at cnapodcasts [at] mediacorp.com.sg

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